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> BUT I think your slightly missing the point

Probably...

> If big business controls ALL music publishing & if ALL music goes digital ... the internet it will be the end of such

> "normal" books.

 Yes, but not buying digital items on the terms offered (DRM and all that ***) will ensure that won't happen, right?

If you (not you personally, the general you) comply and buy products on the terms offered then you only have yourself to blame, right?

Just say no.

 

Hi BritBrat

No we weren't asked or approached on this.  We will issue our statement in due course though.

Regards

Gary

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"The Internet is a global collection of single points of failure"

Hi pwhyles,

Yes, well I tend to agree with your sentiments but I think the general population (herd instinct etc) will carry on buying all those digital goodies unfortunately.

Just say no! probably wont be enough.

Ivan.

 

They are not actually /buying/ them, though, are they? (According to the record industry, anyway).

And who can blame them ... not me.

What's the current going rate of an mp3 download? 79p when I last looked.  79p FFS, way too much.

And what do you get: an mp3 quality track and an enourmous DRM headache.

 

 

Dunn No! mate I've never done any of that music downloading stuff as MP3's don't really interest me. I'm a wee bit old for pop music any way it all sounds pretty much like *** to me these days. Its a bit of a contrast if you grew up with "real" music like they used to make back in the 60's & 70's. 

Ivan

;-)))

Well... I'm 'old' (51) and I'm into computer media, music and. especially. video.   But then I got into computing at college in 1973 (punched cards and tape!; wahsing machine sized card punchers and readers down to hand opperated punchers) and have owned a 'computer' since 1982 (I've around 50! of the bluddy things at the moment...).

 

 

Ha!! that explains it !! :-))

Nice to see I'm in good company here, I'm 49 and been using computers since 1988 and used every version of Microsoft stuff since the first versions of MS-DOS (disk operating dinosaur) & windows 3.1, I have literally installed & used every version of windows for better or worse. I remember the first internet access via dialup & AOL & Force9 on the old Hayes modems with a speed of 28,000kpbs (wow!!).

 **(I've around 50! of the bluddy things at the moment...) 50 !!!!! ???

**I have a good friend who used to work for Midland Bank here in Leeds back in the 70's & 80's before it became HSBC. She remembers coding & controlling main frame machines using "Machine Code"

Ivan

Well I like the MP3 format for music as it allows me to carry a lot around with me on an iPod that I use for both music and audio books.

You two aint old, just youngsters 

I am 62 this september and I started with computers in early 70's but did not get a PC untill 89 when I got online with a demon tenner a month dialup and 90 quid phone bills 

 Great fun though.

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Ken

Zen Active 8000

By the time a family pays off the mortgage for a home in the suburbs, the home isn't home,and the suburbs aren't suburbs.

Gary Hough:

We will issue our statement in due course though.

Hi all

 

Our official statement is:

 

 

Zen Internet has not been approached by the Department for Business, Enterprise and Regulatory Reform (BERR) or the BPI on the subject of illegal file sharing.

 

When we receive a notification of alleged copyright infringement we inform the customer; however, we do not take any further action.  This has been our policy for many years.

 

Zen Internet is committed to respecting the privacy of its customers. 

 

 

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"The Internet is a global collection of single points of failure"

;-) I'm a BBS bloke (and Micronet800/Prestel).  The first modem I owned was an acoustic coupler (1200 receive/75 transmit bps); then my trusty Miracle Technology WS2000 (300/300bps).

I started off with BBS that's what got me into the ISP Industry eventually.

I used to be the Senior Ops Manager at Prestel when they were an ISP.  Closest thing to working at Zen looking back.

Good old days and memories eh :-)

http://www.crowsnest.co.uk/prestel/

http://www.partnerships.org.uk/articles/saphhire.html

http://www.mcmordie.co.uk/tv/develhist.shtml

http://www.connected-earth.com/galleries/Frombuttonstobytes/ComputerNetworks/Intothenetworkedage/

 

 

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"The Internet is a global collection of single points of failure"

> Good old days and memories eh :-)

Absolutely.

It's difficult to explain the excitement and wonderment of the early days to kids today; they simply don't understand as IT is ubiquitous today.   And the relentless march of the suits kills everything except money-grubbing.

<sigh>I've turned into an old-fart; but, thankfully, a Mick Jagger style ofd-fart and not like my poor old dad...

Hi Ken & Pwhyles & all,

Ahh!! such great senitments makes me feel good, I think I have become a fully paid up member of the grumpy old blokes club. Although my level of skepticism & cynicism about life the universe & everything including 42 is getting abit scary now a days. OR perhaps its just the weird times we now live in.

**YEP! totally agree kids today have no sense of the history of the internet. And they have no sense of how slow things were back in the 1980's. I can fondly remember just how BIG a deal windows95 launch was.

**YEP! junior member of the old farts club too probably :-))

Ivan

pwhyles:

> <sigh>I've turned into an old-fart; but, thankfully, a Mick Jagger style ofd-fart and not like my poor old dad...

 

LOL - I've just come back in from takinga drive over Snake Pass with the kids windows down in car and Sex Pistols blasting out.  The look from the youngsters out in their Clio Sports wondering what the hell I was playing was funny!

Gary Rotten indeed!

 

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"The Internet is a global collection of single points of failure"

Ya!! Punk & Pogo-ing what was that all about then??

**I heard Mick became eligible for his bus pass today :-)) TEE HEE not that he needs it of course !

Ivan